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    Do you think a civil war may happen in America after this election?

    More and more people are believing it will. There is a lot of tension. There are voices on platforms calling for killing people of different political ideologies (mostly socialists calling to kill Trump supporters and conservatives). Gun sales are up, as well as ammo. I feel like at the very least, it is possible in major cities across the country and even if you don't live in a city, it will affect all of our (Americans) lives. Between the virus issue, food shortages, and supply shortages... Things might get pretty bad.

    What are your thoughts? Whether you live in the country or not, I want to see what others thing. I am a bit worried.

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    I think there may be some violence either way, but I don't think it will break out into full on civil war. It may be one of the closest things we've seen to war on our own soil within the past few generations though.
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    My opinion:

    I have been following the idea of "Civil War in America" since 2016. That was when I started to follow BlackPigeonSpeaks on YouTube.

    I saw the writing "of more divisiness" on the wall.

    Short answer: not likely.

    Long answer: I believe the extremes I have witnessed, experienced, and observed being, see list below:

    1. Rampant abortion
    2. Accepting same sex marriage
    3. Expansion of welfare
    4. Trade deficit
    5. The Federal Reserve unbound ability to print fiat currency to "stabilize" the economy
    6. Deterioration of the family unit (mom, dad, child(ren))
    7. Out of wedlock births
    8. Increasing racial tensions (i grew up in the 90's and 2000's and felt that racial issues were almost nearly eliminated)
    9. Continuation of foreign wars (Middle East)
    10. Continued govt/company spying on its own citizens and consumers
    11. Encroachment of foreign govts to subvert the US values, constitution, and principles
    12. Expansion of communist/socialist elements in the USA

    This not an exclusive list of things everyone is facing.

    The list above tells me that we have problems.

    These things make me ask:

    How far will these problems go?
    How much is a human life worth?
    How will we resolve them?
    Will resolving these issues require a grassroots movement or a US president?
    Why have some of these issues re-surged?
    When will objective law be applied equally?
    Why won't scandals relating to these issues become transparent and dealt with?

    I don't claim to have all the answers for every specific issue. But we do have guiding principles to direct us on the issues.

    Will these issues led to a civil war?

    I think we have common sense. But when your opponent does the following:

    Verbally assaults you
    Encourages others to harass you
    Promote/post bail to release you from jail
    Doesn't call out and condems negative or harmful acts towards you from others
    Encourage to come to your house to harass

    These actions will have a response.

    There is only so much that can be accepted until it is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarVVind View Post
    I think there may be some violence either way, but I don't think it will break out into full on civil war. It may be one of the closest things we've seen to war on our own soil within the past few generations though.
    You are probably right. It will be like the riots but on a larger scale and likely contained to smaller zones like inner cities and such. Still, scary to think about. I used to be scared of them calling for martial law but these days, if something like this were to happen, I think they'd need to.

    Quote Originally Posted by madmanmark08 View Post
    My opinion:

    I have been following the idea of "Civil War in America" since 2016. That was when I started to follow BlackPigeonSpeaks on YouTube.

    I saw the writing "of more divisiness" on the wall.

    Short answer: not likely.

    Long answer: I believe the extremes I have witnessed, experienced, and observed being, see list below:

    1. Rampant abortion
    2. Accepting same sex marriage
    3. Expansion of welfare
    4. Trade deficit
    5. The Federal Reserve unbound ability to print fiat currency to "stabilize" the economy
    6. Deterioration of the family unit (mom, dad, child(ren))
    7. Out of wedlock births
    8. Increasing racial tensions (i grew up in the 90's and 2000's and felt that racial issues were almost nearly eliminated)
    9. Continuation of foreign wars (Middle East)
    10. Continued govt/company spying on its own citizens and consumers
    11. Encroachment of foreign govts to subvert the US values, constitution, and principles
    12. Expansion of communist/socialist elements in the USA

    This not an exclusive list of things everyone is facing.

    The list above tells me that we have problems.

    These things make me ask:

    How far will these problems go?
    How much is a human life worth?
    How will we resolve them?
    Will resolving these issues require a grassroots movement or a US president?
    Why have some of these issues re-surged?
    When will objective law be applied equally?
    Why won't scandals relating to these issues become transparent and dealt with?

    I don't claim to have all the answers for every specific issue. But we do have guiding principles to direct us on the issues.

    Will these issues led to a civil war?

    I think we have common sense. But when your opponent does the following:

    Verbally assaults you
    Encourages others to harass you
    Promote/post bail to release you from jail
    Doesn't call out and condems negative or harmful acts towards you from others
    Encourage to come to your house to harass

    These actions will have a response.

    There is only so much that can be accepted until it is not.
    There is a lot going on and a lot has changed just in the last 10 years for sure. It seems like there has been this weird shift taking place since around 2011. I grew up in the 90's and early 2000's as well and I went to a mixed school. There was seldom an issue of racism and if there were any, it was black kids targeting white kids. Very rare, only happened 2 or 3 times in my 4 years of high school. Thinking back, most people didn't even think anything of color. At least not where I was. I was friends with black girls in school and I never once thought of them as "black" I just called them my friends. I don't know what happened or what is happening but I do know it is going to get worse before it gets better.
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    I dont see issues happening in rural towns and select suburbs.

    Martial law is easy to enforce on the perimeter of a city.

    Control the inflow of food and other supplies. This control can look like: shut down of all airports, closure of railways, suspended access to ports, and limited in/out via main roads.

    A city like Chicago or NY or LA would be a challenge.

    As for full on civil war, the military would have a small minor faction, but on the whole, in my mind, they would serve to preserve the republic.
    Quote Originally Posted by KorinKitty View Post
    You are probably right. It will be like the riots but on a larger scale and likely contained to smaller zones like inner cities and such. Still, scary to think about. I used to be scared of them calling for martial law but these days, if something like this were to happen, I think they'd need to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madmanmark08 View Post
    I dont see issues happening in rural towns and select suburbs.

    Martial law is easy to enforce on the perimeter of a city.

    Control the inflow of food and other supplies. This control can look like: shut down of all airports, closure of railways, suspended access to ports, and limited in/out via main roads.

    A city like Chicago or NY or LA would be a challenge.

    As for full on civil war, the military would have a small minor faction, but on the whole, in my mind, they would serve to preserve the republic.
    I likewise don't think things will get too bad in many rural areas. The population density and diversity isn't quite high enough to maintain tensions out here in the sticks to the point where people will put their lives on the line. The worst I've seen is people who live directly across from one-another with Trump & Biden signs in their yard (which isn't any worse than any other election and is perfectly fine by me).

    I know this sounds insensitive, but sensitivity has never been my specialty: I'm thankful that the civil unrest has been limited to cities thus far. Everyone knows that American cities are dangerous & as long as the rioters are burning down their own neighborhoods/ clashes between the sides are occurring in cities then I'm not too worried. I'll be miffed if/when it spills out into rural/suburban areas where people have opted out of the urban rat-race & tensions don't regularly fly high. I'm with Korin about the 90's - 2010 era. While racism was heavily frowned upon (i don't know where people get the notion that racism was rampant until just now???) it simply wasn't an issue even in my majority white school. Everyone got along just fine & I think talking about it too much is keeping race at the forefront of everybody's mind these days and making things worse. I wouldn't be surprised if I went back to highschool now and found far more contempt between groups than there used to be.
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    It's inevitable. The time of arguments has come to a violent end, due to those on the left. It isn't hyperbole, and we're seeing even head Democrat figures calling for further extremism against "maggots" and other unfavorable sorts. Issue is that we've also seen that cops can and will actively go after individuals rather than mass groups, so there's ultimately no legitimacy when it comes to police keeping the peace.

    No one on the violent side wants to talk, so there will be no peaceful solution to things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    It's inevitable. The time of arguments has come to a violent end, due to those on the left. It isn't hyperbole, and we're seeing even head Democrat figures calling for further extremism against "maggots" and other unfavorable sorts. Issue is that we've also seen that cops can and will actively go after individuals rather than mass groups, so there's ultimately no legitimacy when it comes to police keeping the peace.

    No one on the violent side wants to talk, so there will be no peaceful solution to things.
    It almost seems like the people who are unwilling to talk have no reason outside of their own minds to be angry. It is like they want to be upset and angry in order to cause destruction and they are using things like Trump, politics, and religion to do it. Almost like a cult.

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    Leftism/socialism/communism is the new secular religion

    Project Veritas has released alot of video showing strong leftists who support Antifa and say and may even challenge a Trump victory.

    Multiple right/conservative/republican folks in the USA have been shot and two have been killed because of ideology.

    So, is this the early skirmishes that prelude a battle???
    Quote Originally Posted by KorinKitty View Post
    It almost seems like the people who are unwilling to talk have no reason outside of their own minds to be angry. It is like they want to be upset and angry in order to cause destruction and they are using things like Trump, politics, and religion to do it. Almost like a cult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madmanmark08 View Post
    Leftism/socialism/communism is the new secular religion

    Project Veritas has released alot of video showing strong leftists who support Antifa and say and may even challenge a Trump victory.

    Multiple right/conservative/republican folks in the USA have been shot and two have been killed because of ideology.

    So, is this the early skirmishes that prelude a battle???
    I don't know how anyone in their right mind could support Antifa. That is no different than supporting the KKK. Both groups are toxic and no one should praise them yet one which has smaller numbers is made out to be a threat (while not doing anything other than saying stupid things) and the other is out in the streets hurting people, destroying businesses, and costing cities millions.

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