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    Do you think the inability to have conversations is a major problem?

    I noticed in the US that a lot of political debates and conversations will often lead with a problem and then the argument will be on the basis of the other person simply not caring enough about said problem. There are no grounds for discussion or solutions being made, just "I'm right, your wrong, end of story!".

    I see this on social media too. Anyone trying to have a conversation about serious issues in the world or coming from a different standing of opinion will often get silenced. We now have people who are too afraid to have opinions in public, even if they are not coming from a place of ignorance or arrogance because people might go after them so hard that they lose their job.

    Often times I see people reacting as if a difference of opinion on something is a death threat or an attack against a general group as a whole. There is no willingness to discuss anything either, they don't want to hear why you feel or think what you do, they just want you to either agree with them or not have a voice at all.

    Do you think the inability to have open and honest conversations is a major problem?

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    Yes, it's a major problem because people can't discuss things anymore. They have a 100% made-up mind going into any topic because it's no longer about who's right or wrong, it's about who's a bad person in their eyes. Their opponent may be totally correct in their way of thinking, but because moral superiority is brought into the mix from the starting line, even a correct point of view is still wrong to the other person. It's getting more difficult by the day to have intense debates or conversations because most of this occurs online with a record of everything you've said, which is then emailed to your place of employment if the person is angry enough.

    If the topic is remotely based on politics/religion/etc. I won't engage. I know how I feel about these things and any sort of argument on the matter only opens me to liability. Of course there are types who count silence as an act against them and expect me to enthusiastically agree with them, at which point I use the old "let's agree to disagree" and leave it at that. Once or twice, that hasn't been enough and they continue to prod. I then ask them to stop harassing me. The buzzword "harass" has always stopped them.

    I agree with you that personal disagreements have been extrapolated to be attacks on entire groups. You say one wrong thing about a single person, and that can make you racist your harasser's eyes. Yes, I consider it to be harassment when someone engages another person with a pre-determined outcome in their head and the goal of making their opponent into a bad person or slandering them publicly afterwards. I got trapped in one of these situations by a literal cuck at a bar, he was saying something to me about rape culture and some other shit, to which I told him that I'm not white and was the victim of a false rape accusation in high school from a person I had never even met in my life, which shut that guy up.

    I use the Elizabeth Warren nuclear option very sparingly, but it's true that i'm 0.5% Native American & I even know which tribe it is when they ask (LOL) and remind these types of people that I'm a PoC when they get on my case. It has worked 100% of the time, which shows me just how racist they actually are. The instant their perception of my skin color changes they treat me differently, it's sickening. Afterwards, I go home and put on my headdress and perform a curse dance so that they can never grow corn on my people's land again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemekis View Post
    Yes, it's a major problem because people can't discuss things anymore. They have a 100% made-up mind going into any topic because it's no longer about who's right or wrong, it's about who's a bad person in their eyes. Their opponent may be totally correct in their way of thinking, but because moral superiority is brought into the mix from the starting line, even a correct point of view is still wrong to the other person. It's getting more difficult by the day to have intense debates or conversations because most of this occurs online with a record of everything you've said, which is then emailed to your place of employment if the person is angry enough.

    If the topic is remotely based on politics/religion/etc. I won't engage. I know how I feel about these things and any sort of argument on the matter only opens me to liability. Of course there are types who count silence as an act against them and expect me to enthusiastically agree with them, at which point I use the old "let's agree to disagree" and leave it at that. Once or twice, that hasn't been enough and they continue to prod. I then ask them to stop harassing me. The buzzword "harass" has always stopped them.

    I agree with you that personal disagreements have been extrapolated to be attacks on entire groups. You say one wrong thing about a single person, and that can make you racist your harasser's eyes. Yes, I consider it to be harassment when someone engages another person with a pre-determined outcome in their head and the goal of making their opponent into a bad person or slandering them publicly afterwards. I got trapped in one of these situations by a literal cuck at a bar, he was saying something to me about rape culture and some other shit, to which I told him that I'm not white and was the victim of a false rape accusation in high school from a person I had never even met in my life, which shut that guy up.

    I use the Elizabeth Warren nuclear option very sparingly, but it's true that i'm 0.5% Native American & I even know which tribe it is when they ask (LOL) and remind these types of people that I'm a PoC when they get on my case. It has worked 100% of the time, which shows me just how racist they actually are. The instant their perception of my skin color changes they treat me differently, it's sickening. Afterwards, I go home and put on my headdress and perform a curse dance so that they can never grow corn on my people's land again.
    I noticed that. It all comes down to colors with these people and yet everyone and everything else is racist. It makes no sense. I agree with Morgan Freeman's approach. To end racism, you need to stop talking about it. Stop using color or race as a descriptive term outside of wanted felons or the medical world because that is the only two places where it should matter. People are just insane these days.

    People like to look at me and see "white" but my family hasn't even been in the US for 100 years. I come from Italian immigrants who literally came here with the clothing on their backs. So it always pisses me off when people just assume my family and I have been privileged. My husband immigrated here, hasn't even had his green card all that long and already a guy said "I hate you people" to him and his response was "what do you mean you people? white people or immigrants?" and he quickly retracted his words.

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    This reminds me of Joker scene:

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    Yes. I agree that holding conversations, discussions, and diaolgue is very challenging for some individuals because of reasons, which i think are:

    Education system doesn't teach/train students how to reason and so students come out being completely "uniform"

    Education system wants to keep the masses from realizing that their are alternative options in life

    Education system teaches that to debate is to question anothers life experience and that's racist or bad

    Other aspects to consider is how a person can discuss a topic. Meaning:

    How can someone frame an idea and communicate clearly for another to understand it and provide a response. I think that this ability has been on the decline.

    Today, most folks feel that to have a discussion is to have an attack and so they need to "raise their shields" to resist the onslaught.

    Time will tell how things will shake out.
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    The way I see it, in a way it's the opposite... the ability has produced an inability. Thanks to "innovations" like social media, people just can't shut the fuck up about their (particularly political) opinions anymore. The issue is that it's created such a volatile atmosphere that people are often worried that they're walking on eggshells because they haven't quite figured out another person's perspective. If you say the wrong thing these days, watch your back! It's sort of ironic that in public people have more of a tendency to watch their mouths, but it's where they unload their verbal diarrhoea (social media) that's most likely to get seen by a potential employer, a partner, and many more.

    The solution for vitriolic conversation in today's society may well be a lack of certain conversation.

    Do you think the inability to have conversations is a major problem?-stfu-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis View Post
    The way I see it, in a way it's the opposite... the ability has produced an inability. Thanks to "innovations" like social media, people just can't shut the fuck up about their (particularly political) opinions anymore. The issue is that it's created such a volatile atmosphere that people are often worried that they're walking on eggshells because they haven't quite figured out another person's perspective. If you say the wrong thing these days, watch your back! It's sort of ironic that in public people have more of a tendency to watch their mouths, but it's where they unload their verbal diarrhoea (social media) that's most likely to get seen by a potential employer, a partner, and many more.

    The solution for vitriolic conversation in today's society may well be a lack of certain conversation.

    Do you think the inability to have conversations is a major problem?-stfu-jpg
    People sure aren't short on words these days. They just don't know how to actually have a conversation about anything serious without finding something offensive about someone else's ideas or opinions. Not all ideas need to be shared and not all opinions need to be shared but when it comes to things we vote for and things that could help society (like addressing the issue with over 80% of black families in America being fatherless, Obama actually spoke about it) we need to be able to talk about it without fear of someone attacking us.

    I know a number of Trump supporters who won't even put up a sign because they don't want their homes to be targeted. That should not be how this works. If you don't like Trump, you vote against him you don't target people who support him. It is no secret this country is a mess because of division and lack of common decency. People don't want to have discussions anymore, they want to be right and feel right and that is all that matters.

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