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    Justice in modern society

    / Death Note spoilers ahead! /

    "This world is rotten, and those who are making it rot deserve to die. Someone has to do it, so why not me? Even if it means sacrificing my own mind and soul, it's worth it. Because the world... can't go on like this. I wonder... what if someone else had picked up this notebook? Is there anyone out there other than me who'd be willing to eliminate the vermin from the world? If I don't do it, then who will? That's just it: there's no one. But I can do it. In fact, I'm the only one who can. I'll do it. Using the Death Note, I'll change the world."




    I'm sure most of you are familliar with Death Note. If you aren't, Light Yagami is a bored yet talented high-school student who discovers a notebook that has the supernatural power to kill anyone who's name is written in it. Light decides to take matters into his own hands, and vows to rid the world of those he deems as 'immoral'.

    This gave me an interesting idea for a thread-- is it right for one person to have so much power, all of that responsibility? It can certainly be argued that Light was no different from those murderers he was so righteously sentancing. Either way, you can't deny that his actions did at least do some good for the world. Crime rates drew to a halt, as society begins to fear retribution for whatever immoral actions they may commit. But living in fear of punishment every day of your life, could such a thing truly be called 'peace'?

    With all the deranged serial killers running riot in our world today; terrorists, corrupt 'officials', racists, homophobes, and whatever else-- it's hard not to feel like we could use a Death Note of our own sometimes. What are your thoughts on the justice system today? Are we too soft on those who break the law? Can taking a person's life ever be justified, regardless of what horrible attrocities they may have commited? I'd love to hear your thoughts.

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    My kneejerk reaction to 'can murder ever be justified' is a resounding no. But why not, really? In the world we live in today, most of our problems are already solved through just that; violence. Our entire heritage as we know it has been forged with bloody hands. Between spending millions on the development of weapons solely to put other human beings down 'humanely', sending thousands of our own countrymen overseas to invade, kill and BE killed for the sake of our own little dirt patch's well-being, Light's ideaology begins to seem like the lesser of two evils-- even if it is indeed, evil.

    What better way to solve the world's problems, than to weed out the source of those problems itself?

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    I'm extremely anti-violence. As controversial as it is, I'm actually not a fan of the death penalty at all- killing someone for their crimes may seem to teach others who think of doing similar not to do them, but...If someone wants to do something horrid, telling them the consequences are death isn't necessarily going to stop them. Knowing stealing something could get you sent to jail isn't always going to stop someone who wants to steal- whether it's for what some would see as a 'good reason' or not. I think the only time I'd even think taking a life could be justified a tiiiiny bit is if they asked you to because they're suffering. I don't like the idea of assisted suicide as someone with suicidal tendencies in the past, but if someone asks you to pull the plug when they have debilitating cancer and can't live outside the hospital as is...I might condone that, if the person is suffering that much. Though at the same time, I don't think I could do it. It's kind of a hypocritical catch 22 in general, actually, as I think harder on it.

    But seriously. If a person kills, let's say five people (I saw that number in the news recently here in the US, so I'm using it). Killing said person only adds to the number of lives taken by the incident- whether one of them wasn't innocent or not. I'm sure I've had homicidal and suicidal thoughts, but I usually don't actually act them out (or so far I haven't, as you can tell by my clean police record and being alive). I write them. I plan them out and write them in a story. There! Homicide taken care of with no real lives taken! But that doesn't work for everyone. It's just how I act like I have my own 'death note'. this way, I can let out my frustration on these horrible people by killing them without actually killing them. Kind of like the old method of learning to throw darts by imagining the bullseye is someone that really irritates you so you'll want to hit them square in the head.
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    I'm ready"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hari View Post
    This gave me an interesting idea for a thread-- is it right for one person to have so much power, all of that responsibility?
    Ask Christians, or people of other religions. They believe there is one divine being, although they don't necessarily believe he will cast judgement with severe prejudice as Light does. With that said, I do support Light. Were it not for the task forces, eventually people would have come to accept "Kira's" presence in the world. The American government was ready to withdraw the FBI from Japan and allow Light to continue his work. Though he did have to threaten governments to accomplish this, his hand was forced. If Light was left alone, what's not to like about greatly decreased crime rates? I feel that in cases where there is some ambiguity about whether the crime was committed, the suspect should always be given a fair trial before Kira does his work.

    Would I use a Death Note myself? No. Only Light had the ability to use it in a just fashion. As shown in the show, most of those who acquire a Death Note use it to satisfy their own selfish desires. And I can't say for sure that I wouldn't do the same. It must be so difficult to wield such immense power, yet keep it under control, but Light could do it. As he said, he was the only one. The Death Note was his destiny. In the right hands, I support the use of the Death Note.
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    I think you're right that Light had the right mentality at first-- but later on in the series, he becomes extremely sociopathic and concieted which is what eventually led to his downfall against Near. By that point, in my opinion, he was no different than the murderers he was bestowing justice upon. Have you seen that deleted scene where he's laughing on L's grave?

    The second opening actually does a good job of exemplifying Light's distorted ambitions, in my opinion. He has finally 'cracked', as it were.


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    I agree, but were it not for the police continually trying to apprehend him I think he'd have turned the world into a better place. But as far as Death Note's story itself goes, yes, Light does eventually start to break down and I agree that the second OP shows this well. And yes, I do agree that at that point, Light became mentally unstable and became unfit to carry out his original plan. I'd have preferred it if the series ended with that deleted scene, although the first film version does, and at that point I would recommend not watching the second one.
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    I always liked L because it was one with a mind more than all right, finding the real kira with his clever strategies and always acting for justice.
    I agree that over the episodes, Light becames increasingly mentally unstable, perhaps because he was aware that sooner or later L, with some other strategy, could frame him, or as they say, the power went to his head. If I would have the Death Note, i would burn instantly. Being an instrument of death, can not be anything but surrounded by demons and misfortunes, in fact there are Shinigami in the anime.

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    This is a very stimulating conversation.

    To start, I am a Mormon, and I believe in Moral Agency. What I mean by that is this: I believe that each person in the world can make their own choice. Good, bad, sad, happy.

    I can cite scriptural sources, the Holy Bible and Book of Mormon, where Heavenly Father allowed an individual to kill another to save others. Source: Book of Mormon 1 Nephi 4:6-13. A prophet is commanded to kill a man to bring out righteous works.

    Does subjecting a person to the death penalty after they kill someone instill a obedience to the law or make it social/cultural custom to deter homicide? I wish that was the case, but we live in a world that is not perfect and all man is subject to the carnal primal nature of the flesh.

    On to your question:
    In theory, if someone was given a notebook that can kill someone by writing someone's name in it, will immense power.

    If a Social Justice person had that (let's say Lena D.), they would be murdering christians, jews, business leaders, and people they perceive as being: homophobic, sexual predators/rapists/assailants, islamaphobic, xenophobic, racists, and those who don't generally agree with their beliefs (kinda like a religious zealot) and the like.
    Would that Social Justice person, be any better than their counterparts that they are opponents of? Would they bring about a happier society? Or would the population live in fear?
    I will need to ponder this topic more intently. But at first glance, this power is not for anyone to have access too.

    Overall, great topic. Follow Jesus Christ. Repent. Be baptized. XD
    "The mighty oak tree was once a tiny nut that stood its ground" - XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juneberry View Post
    I'm extremely anti-violence. As controversial as it is, I'm actually not a fan of the death penalty at all- killing someone for their crimes may seem to teach others who think of doing similar not to do them, but...If someone wants to do something horrid, telling them the consequences are death isn't necessarily going to stop them. Knowing stealing something could get you sent to jail isn't always going to stop someone who wants to steal- whether it's for what some would see as a 'good reason' or not. I think the only time I'd even think taking a life could be justified a tiiiiny bit is if they asked you to because they're suffering. I don't like the idea of assisted suicide as someone with suicidal tendencies in the past, but if someone asks you to pull the plug when they have debilitating cancer and can't live outside the hospital as is...I might condone that, if the person is suffering that much. Though at the same time, I don't think I could do it. It's kind of a hypocritical catch 22 in general, actually, as I think harder on it.

    But seriously. If a person kills, let's say five people (I saw that number in the news recently here in the US, so I'm using it). Killing said person only adds to the number of lives taken by the incident- whether one of them wasn't innocent or not. I'm sure I've had homicidal and suicidal thoughts, but I usually don't actually act them out (or so far I haven't, as you can tell by my clean police record and being alive). I write them. I plan them out and write them in a story. There! Homicide taken care of with no real lives taken! But that doesn't work for everyone. It's just how I act like I have my own 'death note'. this way, I can let out my frustration on these horrible people by killing them without actually killing them. Kind of like the old method of learning to throw darts by imagining the bullseye is someone that really irritates you so you'll want to hit them square in the head.
    Well think of it like this: by taking the life of a serial murderer we could be preventing even more lives from being taken. It's either that or just waste our tax dollars keeping them alive in prison, which may end up in them getting out anyway and causing even more damage just to satisfy their own sick and twisted desires. The only problem is that we don't want to execute anyone who's been wrongfully convicted, so we'll need to absolutely make sure they're guilty of whatever heinous crime they've committed. You're right in that the death penalty alone isn't enough to deter crimes from happening in general, but it can prevent repeated offences.

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    Another issue where the interpretation seems to have changed a little bit, but also one where a lot of people might not agree with that. I am just thinking about how lately people seem much more disappointed with the justice system, myself included. It is a tough one but a very interesting and important issue.

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