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    Opinion: University is a waste of time/money for most students

    I always hear about the debts people have from going to college here in the US and I couldn't understand how or why so many people have them. Upon doing some research, a lot of people who have outstanding debts went to expensive universities for careers that are either not in need of large amounts of workers or they went to learn about something that has to real value in the workforce, such as gender studies.

    In my opinion, unless you are going to college to be a doctorer, lawyer, or any other career that requires extensive quality education, you are better off going to a trade school or community college. In my area, you can get around 6 classes at our local community college and pay around $5,000 a year compared to the average $23,000 you would spend going to a university.

    What are your thoughts on this?

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    Yes and no. I'd say for creative fields such as art, game design and animation (for example) it can be a waste because many of these things can be self-taught. Particularly for a freelancer, a strong portfolio is going to be more important than a degree. Other fields, however, really do need degrees. Quite a long time ago I thought about teaching English in Japan. Even if you receive full TEFL qualifications, to immigrate you need a bachelor's degree. That can be a huge waste of time and money when you consider that being qualified to teach English can be considered secondary to getting, say, a gender studies degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis View Post
    Yes and no. I'd say for creative fields such as art, game design and animation (for example) it can be a waste because many of these things can be self-taught. Particularly for a freelancer, a strong portfolio is going to be more important than a degree. Other fields, however, really do need degrees. Quite a long time ago I thought about teaching English in Japan. Even if you receive full TEFL qualifications, to immigrate you need a bachelor's degree. That can be a huge waste of time and money when you consider that being qualified to teach English can be considered secondary to getting, say, a gender studies degree.
    If the job requires it, in some cases it is worth going to a university but outside of the ones where the best education is needed, I think most can still get away with community college or trade school. I knew someone who went from graduating straight into university. He ended up getting kicked out twice. Racked up quite the debt too. Gave community college a try and again, failed out of that. Some people don't so well with learning I guess but I would say he is not part of a large group. He just lacked ambition and had no idea what he even wanted to do so he lost interest. Couple that with smoking (the catnip lol), you just set yourself up for failure.

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    I agree with Mantis. I work in a damn University and I feel that way more than I ever have in the past. 80% of the students I went to class with and that I now see as an employee here shouldn't be here. They're here because they think it's expected of them/their parents pushed them/they think they'll be a loser if they don't go. They don't realize that skipping college gives you an extra 4-7 years of your life and saves you at least $40k (much more if you go to a more expensive college or take on a loan and consider interest expenses). If your earnings won't significantly out-pace the investment and 4-7 years of lost income, then don't do it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemekis View Post
    I agree with Mantis. I work in a damn University and I feel that way more than I ever have in the past. 80% of the students I went to class with and that I now see as an employee here shouldn't be here. They're here because they think it's expected of them/their parents pushed them/they think they'll be a loser if they don't go. They don't realize that skipping college gives you an extra 4-7 years of your life and saves you at least $40k (much more if you go to a more expensive college or take on a loan and consider interest expenses). If your earnings won't significantly out-pace the investment and 4-7 years of lost income, then don't do it!
    I know some people who work in the tech field and trained themselves, my husband being one of them. They learned in their teens and got certified in their 20's, never went to college and earn more than the people I know who did attend college. I think more employers are open to highering people based on the proof they have the skill over a piece of paper saying they do, at least in some fields.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KorinKitty View Post
    I know some people who work in the tech field and trained themselves, my husband being one of them. They learned in their teens and got certified in their 20's, never went to college and earn more than the people I know who did attend college. I think more employers are open to hiring people based on the proof they have the skill over a piece of paper saying they do, at least in some fields.
    That's not the career path I was talking about but it's definitely an option. I didn't even want to open the can of worms that's trade school/certifications vs. University. I'm very pro-trade school, it's great for people who shouldn't/couldn't/don't want to go to university and it often works out as well as or better than college. I was only offering one example of college being okay as well by saying that it's good for technical stuff a lot of the time.

    Certifications can get you in the door for a lot of hands-on work, but for the higher up managerial stuff you'll likely need a degree. for the positions I applied for (this is the IT field, mind you) they didn't want to talk to me without at least a 4 year degree.

    Either way I'm not here to defend colleges, I think they're ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemekis View Post
    I agree with Mantis. I work in a damn University and I feel that way more than I ever have in the past. 80% of the students I went to class with and that I now see as an employee here shouldn't be here. They're here because they think it's expected of them/their parents pushed them/they think they'll be a loser if they don't go. They don't realize that skipping college gives you an extra 4-7 years of your life and saves you at least $40k (much more if you go to a more expensive college or take on a loan and consider interest expenses). If your earnings won't significantly out-pace the investment and 4-7 years of lost income, then don't do it!
    I wish someone told me that before I went to university as I did a course that seemed interesting, and my family encouraged me to do it at that time and boy do I have regrets. I'm not too fussed about having wasted money or having taken out a student loan, my biggest regret is the time I've wasted by turning up to class just to be taught basic stuff and shown documentaries. Thankfully I have realized that I was wasting my time and quit after the first year, although I wish that I did literally anything else in that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nagato View Post
    I wish someone told me that before I went to university as I did a course that seemed interesting, and my family encouraged me to do it at that time and boy do I have regrets. I'm not too fussed about having wasted money or having taken out a student loan, my biggest regret is the time I've wasted by turning up to class just to be taught basic stuff and shown documentaries. Thankfully I have realized that I was wasting my time and quit after the first year, although I wish that I did literally anything else in that time.
    What was your major if you don't mind me asking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemekis View Post
    What was your major if you don't mind me asking?
    Police studies

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    Quote Originally Posted by nagato View Post
    Police studies
    That's actually a university course? I never fully understood how it works.
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