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    A ripping good argument (ABORTION!)

    In the states, the minute this topic comes up, the savagery levels rise to ridiculous heights instantly. As a result of a headache and long day, I am looking forward to a good argument.

    So, Abortion. Whatchu think 'boot it?
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    RE: A ripping good argument (ABORTION!)

    Until the fetus is developed enough to be considered its own entity (which itself is a difficult question), I'd say the woman should be able to abort as she wishes. At that stage, I consider it to be strictly her body and her choice. Beyond that point, though, I'd say only allow abortion for a damn good reason (as in, "they'll both die if she doesn't").
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    RE: A ripping good argument (ABORTION!)

    This is a sticky subject... but I believe the same as the Good Doctor.
    However, there are a few acceptances I believe in situation (as in you couldn't provide for the child, the child would genuinely suffer in some way or the child was down syndrome or something).
    Unsure if I would ever be able to have a child of my own, however... I personally wouldn't abort the child unless it carried a serious health risk to it or even myself.
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    RE: A ripping good argument (ABORTION!)

    What Dr. K said. I don't see what's so hard to comprehend. If people are going to have kids they need to educate themselves about the potential complications that nobody could predict. Those who choose abortion when the child is a developed baby would never be good parents anyway.

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    RE: A ripping good argument (ABORTION!)

    What Dr. K said.

    Y'know, because it's made of logic and all that stuff.
    "It turned out that the ghost was just Mr. Finley, who ran the amusement park. The spooky part is that, as soon as the ghost appeared, the teenagers' dog began to speak! And it spoke in a tortured parody of human speech: 'relp me, Raggy,' it would say. 'I am an abomination and rould re rilled. Rill re, Raggy.'"

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    RE: A ripping good argument (ABORTION!)

    I always thought the "abortion thing" was bad. You're taking away someone life before they even have a chance to see it. If you're someone like Flare said was affected in a way where it could harm both you and the unborn fetus, than yes I could understand it then.

    But if you're type that just sleeps around and you find out you're expecting, and then don't want to take the responsiblity and be a parent, that ain't right. There are dozen, no thousands of people around the world that can't get pregnant; they would kill to be able to have that child. Thats why I don't think its right. They should either find a family that wants it or set it up for adpation or something. Thats just my thoughts on it though. So don't get crazy on me here.

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    RE: A ripping good argument (ABORTION!)

    Once the gametes come together and form the zygote,
    what we have is a new genetic combination, a unique life.
    That is the point where one should let nature take it's course.

    As for when it should be permitted, yes I think we all can agree.
    When both will die in lieu of the procedure, or the mother will die, then yes.

    Otherwise, no.
    No sir.

    When the mother cannot provide, that is unfortunate yes, but not wholly condemning.
    Sure it will be difficult, but IT IS STILL POSSIBLE for BOTH the mother and the child to live a full and fulfilling life.
    How many countless "rags-to-riches" stories have we heard, read, and seen.
    Not all of them are made up you know.
    I also hold to this in terms of impregnation against consent.

    Yes rape is a horrifying act.
    And I can see why a woman would like to abort the child so she is not constantly reminded of that trauma.
    HOWEVER!
    Why punish the child?
    The child is not to blame.
    Just because it is difficult for the mother does not justify the denial of a life for this new person.
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    RE: A ripping good argument (ABORTION!)

    What I meant by "Connot provide" is before the time the embrio becomes a human being. Not a 'late' abortion. I completely disagree with the rape. Perhaps it's because I'm a female and wouldn't want to raise the child of a man who had raped me. Not only does the fact he'd raped you come into it, medical history also comes into it. You never know if that man has got underlying problems in his family health.
    That woman who was raped has surely gone through enough trauma without being made to raise a child she may not have wanted. Why punish the woman further? If she wants to raise it, kudos to her! But if not, why condemn her?
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    RE: A ripping good argument (ABORTION!)

    Ahh, about time we had some dissenting voices! This was starting to get boring.

    The problem with putting up a baby for adoption is the system is a joke. Underfunded, understaffed, too many kids coming in and not leaving, and the like. Better off dead than left with a crippled, futureless existence like that.

    Once the gametes come together and form the zygote,
    what we have is a new genetic combination, a unique life.
    You could argue the same thing about cancer cells, but I don't see anyone complaining about those routinely getting killed.

    When the mother cannot provide, that is unfortunate yes, but not wholly condemning. Sure it will be difficult, but IT IS STILL POSSIBLE for BOTH the mother and the child to live a full and fulfilling life.
    Not necessarily. The mother would be a much better judge of this than anyone else.

    Yes rape is a horrifying act.
    And I can see why a woman would like to abort the child so she is not constantly reminded of that trauma.
    HOWEVER!
    Why punish the child?
    The child is not to blame.
    Why punish the mother? She certainly isn't to blame for her own rape. If someone has to take the fall for this, I'd rather it be the preconscious mass of cells than the living, sentient woman.

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    Adding a new argument, disallowing early-term abortion effectively makes citizens the property of the state. I find the prospect of a law that prohibits early-term abortion - and by extension, disallows its people control of their own bodies - highly unappealing, to say the least.
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    RE: A ripping good argument (ABORTION!)

    I've got to agree with Flare there. I guess I didn't take rape into account when I wrote my post. I was mostly referring to disabilities as a reason for abortion, though there are heaps of other reasons too. I'll say no to abortion (past the early embryonic stage) in almost every instance. Rape? So long as the child isn't too developed (it's hard to draw the line here), I'd say yes. It's one thing for a woman to go through that experience. It's another for them to have to raise a child as a result of it. A child who will likely have a damaged childhood and broken family relationship.

    You could say the same about severe disabilities. Childhood could be tough, and maintaining a good family relationship could be too. There's a difference, though. Parents should love their children regardless of differences. But... when a woman has been given a traumatic experience and left to look after a kid? I don't think the care's going to be there. That's why I think it's justified.

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