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    Tipping: For and Against

    I ordered a birthday present for one of my sisters today using Amazon Prime Now. It's a service I use regularly and there's an added bonus of very fast delivery times. I think like the Uber taxi service Amazon outsources drivers for this. Here in the UK at least, by default the app/website tries to charge you a minimum 2 tip. You can change this to 0. I do that as I don't tip Amazon drivers. The reason is that you have to tip them before they actually do anything which is absolutely ludicrous to me. I can't think of any other profession in the world that has tipping like that. Sometimes I've had particularly good drivers but I've also had a few terrible drivers. I don't feel I should be guilted into tipping when the latter is a possibility. To add to that, it already costs 79/year for Prime itself and that will probably increase again this year.

    Taxi drivers are a different story. I've had some great conversations with taxi drivers and on those occasions I'll tip quite generously since they went the extra mile (...no pun intended) to provide a more pleasant experience. Or maybe they're generally good conversationalists, but the fact of the matter is that they brightened my day a little. Taxi drivers who seem to be in a shitty mood and don't talk, I won't tip. I used to tip barbers for a job well done, but lately the barbers I've been to have been so expensive it's daylight robbery. I'm sure they get enough as it is.

    Now the main one: restaurants. Like many Britons, I don't tip often. I might do if the food is excellent but most of the time I don't. First of all, unlike the United States (since it's Americans who seem to be more vocal on this topic) there's less of a focus on tipping. Perhaps staff are paid better here. More importantly though, many restaurants add a sneaky "service charge" to your bill at the end which is basically a tip in disguise. So I should feel obligated to give a second bonus after a stealthy fee was added without my prior knowledge? Bollocks to that.

    Even in the US, I think tipping should be abolished. I get that waiters/waitresses/etc. seem to need these payments to get by, but in the long run I think it probably hurts them. Tips enable large businesses (which often have plenty of money) to pay their staff a terrible wage on the basis they'll get a little more from tips. Without tipping they'd eventually be forced to increase staff wages.

    I often hear about the cultural tipping differences. I remember hearing about an American being chased down the street by a Japanese waitress because she thought he forgot his money. I've heard in Japan they're actually sometimes offended by tips.

    What is your opinion on tipping? And what differs in your country if you're not British?

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    Here in America, most restaurants don't pay wait staff much at all. In fact, most get paid less than minimum wage, since they're also paid in tips. With that in mind, I usually pay 18% or so, for delivery drivers and wait staff. It's honestly insulting how little wait staff and delivery drivers get paid in America. Idk what the difference is in Great Britain, though.


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    In general, I typically tip three of four bucks when eating out as a courtesy. Honestly, I think tipping should be optional and people shouldn't be shamed or forced into doing it. I even heard that some places will spit in your food or worse if you're a returning customer that doesn't tip, like these people feel entitled to tips. Yes, it's bad that restaurant workers tend to get paid very little but that's no excuse for being petty over tips. I think restaurants need to start paying their workers more and make tips more of a bounus type thing. I know there's a restaurant near where I live that actively discourages tipping and pays it's workers normal wages. If more restaurants try to do this more often, then this would surely alleviate the problem, at least for the most part.

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    I know that when I lived in Korea tipping wasn't mandatory. Nobody did it. Well, I tipped a cab driver during the holidays once but he didn't seem to mind it. I read something about China not having it as a social norm either. I visited BC, Canada and from what the waitress said, it's not mandatory though we tipped her properly for the awesome service. Not sure if it's culturally the norm there though. In the states in a places around where I live in California, I often feel obliged to tip when dining in and there are often tips added when a party is big enough at a restaurant. I think I got a glare from a person at a local coffee shop for not tipping him. Or maybe it's my resting bitch face I can't control

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    I have no issue with tipping but the people serving me must know that it is not required by me and it is down to good service. I remember this one time I didn't leave someone a tip and she got so offended that she nearly spilled my drink on me. Some people are so ungrateful and then you have the people who think tips are an insult like you said. I have never been able to tip a Chinese or Japanese person in the US, they refuse it. I have been to several different places to eat too.

    I guess if the person expects it and doesn't earn it, then I am against it.
    If they earn it and want it, I am for it.
    And even if they don't want it I still try. lol

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    Like Pseudo says, here in the states businesses abuse tipping as a way to avoid paying their staff a livable wage.

    It's a problem that needs to be fixed.
    But heaven forbid anyone proposes anything that might affect the "true" victims, small business owners.
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    "Protecting small businesses" is just US political code for catering to the whims of massive corporations.
    It's disgusting, abusive, and ruining the social landscape.
    ...

    So yeah, I'm not for tipping. lul.
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    This was a good idea Mantis.

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    I don't like "forced" tipping and especially not tipping first like with the app you described. I want to decide what I feel is a proper amount or if they earned a tip.

    A lot of people get upset about tipping in restaurants to make up the wages. Think about it though. If restaurants are made to pay higher wages, who do you think is going to pick up the tab? You are. Only then, you don't get to decide how much to pay for your meal (by way of including a tip - or not). There will be a set price, and it will be higher.

    Tipping would still be expected too, because it's become traditional. You can bet that people who still tip will definitely get better service than those who don't.

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    To my knowledge, the concept of underpaying staff due to expecting tips is a cultural thing. It doesn't happen in most other countries.

    I would agree that it's a thing that should not be, but there is a difference between underpaying and making jobs by-commission. Restaurants around here seem to try turning Tips into a Commission. Except they don't call it what it is.

    A Tip is supposed to be a gift. You should not expect people to give you gifts. Ever. Unfortunately, this is what the culture here is like. Not everywhere in America, but it is a thing here.

    What really grinds my gears is when someone who works hard for that commission-tip is forced to hand over some of it to the employer/other staff. Not every employer does this, but I've seen it. Not pretty.


    Quote Originally Posted by AsherTheWilliams View Post
    Like Pseudo says, here in the states businesses abuse tipping as a way to avoid paying their staff a livable wage.

    It's a problem that needs to be fixed.
    But heaven forbid anyone proposes anything that might affect the "true" victims, small business owners.

    *Bleh*
    "Protecting small businesses" is just US political code for catering to the whims of massive corporations.
    It's disgusting, abusive, and ruining the social landscape.
    ...

    So yeah, I'm not for tipping. lul.
    There is a veritable mountain of taxes, rules and regulations piled on top of businesses as it is, so when the government (co-opted by corporations) gives them a loophole (allowing companies to pay under the mandated minimum for "tips"), the natural instinct is to exploit it, or risk losing money.

    So, my solution would be to lift taxes, remove unnecessary regulations and close the loophole. Then, down the line, abolish the Minimum Wage

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    Here in Australia nobody does tipping, or at the very least I've never seen it happen. I don't really get the point of it in the first place. I guess as a compliment or an incentive to do better work I can see why people do it.

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    Well my wife and I do not eat out a lot since I really love to cook our own meals. But when we do, I do give out a tip but not a lot though and it depends. If the service is good I would always give a tip even if the receipt says they do have that service charge. But if the food isn't good and the service sucks, I definitely won't give a tip. I do know it's a big thing for people here in our place since people who work in restaurants aren't really paid well. But I think it's just fair if I do give tips if the service is good, there are some people who work on restaurants that aren't polite and tend to look away when they know you want to call on them for stuff that you need. If they tend to do that, then they might as well consider that no one would give them a tip. I remember eating out with my wife and the food wasn't really great, but since the waiter did a good job and always smiles at us whenever he passes by we gave him a tip.

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