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    Corruption in Law Enforcement

    (For all intents and purposes, this is all my opinion. I mean no offense to any one, law enforcement or otherwise, who read this post or any others that follow. Just covering all my bases )

    I honestly have no idea why I've strayed to this, but recently I've been watching a lot of videos regarding how to act in police situations and what to say in case you've been pulled over just out of sheer curiosity and independent learning. That led to me watching various protest videos and news coverage concerning officers doing over-the-top things such as pepper spraying an entire line of protesters simply for expressing their rights, publicly beating civilians on alleged claims of assault and "disturbing the peace", and even more subtle videos of people expressing their rights to candidly videotape police encounters and how the action is legal due to the police being public officers and their having no personal privacy in a public place.

    As cynical as it sounds, I've come to the ironic conclusion that United States law enforcement is doing more to separate the country with oppression instead of preserving peace. I realize that the entire police force isn't consisted of power-tripping individuals who lie to people just to pad their track record, but I also know that the whole mission of "preserving the safety of every freeperson" isn't what it's cracked up to be.

    What do you all think? Feel free to agree or disagree with anything I've said; I'm open to knowledge.
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    RE: Corruption in Law Enforcement

    You say you've seen videos of officers pepper spraying protestors.
    I've seen vidos of that too.
    Every time, they've been asked multiple times to stop (which they should do), and they have refused. They're usually blocking a street, building, or something else (which violates others rights and makes a rather large distubance, and likely makes them late for work).
    Every video I have seen is a refusal to move from the protestors. The cops, IMO, have no choice but to pepper spray them.
    They can't simply allow them to block a major road or building for hours if not days because they don't agree with it, so they are forced to use force.
    We have a right to assemble, but with limits...we can't simply protest on a road and make others late or disturb others...That's pretty much what our Constitution says...
    I personally support the right to protest, but if you're asked to leave, then leave. For me, if you just refuse to move and act childish, your message gets muddled in the immature "you're big meanies and can't make us leave" mentality. Make your presence known in a calm, respectable manner, and you'll get far more serious attention than if you just "protest".
    As for excessive force....ehh...That's a really really fine line.
    Take an example of what happened at a high school near me.
    A group of kids started a food fight (innocent, messy, and can be prety fun). but...the food fight soon turned violent, and kids starting throwing chairs. The school has one security guard, female, who has a bottle of pepper spray. She went in, used the pepper spray and subdued the trouble makers almost immediately. No one was seriously or permanently hurt, yet people still complained that she used excessive force.
    IMO, that was the only safe thing to do. If she tried to subdue each one, the others would still have thrown chairs and may have killed a child at worst...And I have a good good feeling the people who complained she used too much force would have complained if she did NOT use the pepper spray that she did not respond in time. So "excessive force" really is just a bad choice of words, simply because the word "excessive" is not finite. Based on your views, "excessive force" can be worlds apart.

    Don't get me wrong. There are corrupt police officers out there, but please don't take the stuff the media puts out and treat it as the majority. Those stories always paint the "bad guys" in an extremely bad light without giving both sides of the story...


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    RE: Corruption in Law Enforcement

    Well said hippie, that kinda felt weird saying that especially coming from a military family. Anyway, the thing is if you want to find bad things happening you don't have to look too far. Our media feeds on things like police brutality and the like. I'll admit I have friends in law enforcement out where I live, but they are under funded. According the the state of Oregon all sheriff's department should have 12 patrol units at their disposal, but our county can only afford 8 and for the longest time we had no night patrol. The times of 10:00 PM to 6:00 AM there was no deputies in case of something bad happened. I also have to say that 99% are good cops that go out there and do their job, but there are a few bad cops and really dumb ones also.
    We are all insane, we just act normal for the sake of others.

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    RE: Corruption in Law Enforcement

    I know ive been at my dads house when they come looking for one of my brothers and they pushed my dad to the ground and held him there as my dad cant breath where he smokes and his health is not to good he didnt do anything but tell them he wasn't there and was complaining about beating on the door really hard... and seriously my dad was asleep at the time and they did all this to him and they was not suppose to touch him he didnt do anything just come in pushing him to the ground and stuff and not even the person they was looking for. By the way my dad is SR. and my brother is JR so im sure they could get it mixed up but pictures are very different. Ive even seen them come after my brother and ask where he was at and he had been sitting in jail for the last 3-4 weeks and tell these guys hes there and still they come back the next few days to week looking for him again. Ive got pissed off sometimes to tell them why dont you check your computer and you will see hes in jail...

    There is a State Trooper in my area that is really strict. He tends to get on your tail if your going like 1-2 over the Speed Limit just trying to make you push it more. I know he chased a girl into the store i was in when i was outside she had her seat belt on and everything and tryed to tell her she didnt have her seat belt on they got into a big fight over it and then the trooper was like well you was talking on your cell phone... and she didnt even have a cell phone he searched her all over and i know she fought that ticket. The dude is really up tight and i dont see why he was acting like that... State Troopers really think there bad ass but seriously... there just another cop thinking they can do what they want and can push who they want to. I know friends that are State Troopers and say it is a tough camp to go through but its nothing like boot camp ect. They say its kinda like it but nothing near it.
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    RE: Corruption in Law Enforcement

    We had a female deputy like that here, but she got canned six months ago for not reporting and submitting the evidence of a rape that happened two months before that.
    We are all insane, we just act normal for the sake of others.

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    RE: Corruption in Law Enforcement

    I have alot of friends that are cops here i went to school with. My best friend was a Ground Strike Unit over seas and was right in the middle of it... I seriously hated it because i really wanted him home. I wanted to go with him and do the buddy system years ago and he wouldnt wait he failed his test and went straight in he didnt care if he failed or not he wanted to be in the army and he got the crappiest job out there... right on the front line... I was like man wait afew months and will go together... and he wouldnt which is why i never went back then. Ive looked at it afew times where i wanted to go and finish my schooling for Computers but i have yet to go and do it. Right now there is a place here sign on is 40k and they train you everything which i thought about going and finishing schooling and taking that job.

    Cops are crazy but my brothers are dumb.... ive got a brother that fell out of a tree a good 40-50 feet and lived it. He cuts trees for a living at the beach everywhere... i know one day they come in looking for him the door was not open and they came IN my house without papers to but my brother lol had ran out the back door on crutches and hid behind the building and they saw him from the side of the house... and yea my brothers are bad news there always in to crap and on the run half the time.
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    I think most cops are not that bad. Surely there are some corrupt ones. But corruption runs everywhere, from the Government to a simple train controller. It all depends on the individual. In my home town, I`m totally OK with law enforcement. These guys risk neck and limb to insure the city is safe at all times of the day, and I have only respect for them. They put themselves in situations, most of us would never do.

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    As a US citizen, I have a very complicated view of law enforcement. Living here, I've come to really become concerned more about the general priorities of the law than the officers themselves. I'm bringing personal issues in right now, but...My dad was attacked not once, but TWICE by a neighbor in our last residence. It was hard enough to get a police officer to come help us because of the fact that New Jersey law puts the highest priority on TRAFFIC, and not general safety. Yes, traffic is priority. You're more likely to be helped if you're being beat up on a highway than you are if you're beat up in your front yard. And that's not right in and of itself. But what's worse is not taking any statements the first time you come to a troubled household and just assume that the person at fault is the one who doesn't have a bloody nose. Seriously, the neighbor did have a bloody nose- because he was choking my dad and had to get headbutted to be forced to let go. But did the police care? Nope. But the next time the guy attacked, the police clearly found the violation...Though they certainly didn't want to deal with us.

    It's not that the police are all bad though. Some police officers are great! I think it's a mixture of the officers that are involved at the time and what the law in a state says. Since traffic is the top priority to NJ police officers, they are legally obligated to focus on those if there's so many that there's a lack of officers for some other things. Is that right? Nope, not at all. But it's the law here.

    So rather than the law enforcement...I think the real problem is more the laws. There are definitely officers that have severe problems, but you can only screen so much. Those officers need to be properly punished, yes...But we can't blame law enforcement if it wasn't expected. What we can blame them for is for not dealing with it properly, and fight to fix laws that are clearly not helping anything. That's just my perspective and experience, though. But I have some good friends that've been on the force. I used to live near a policeman and he was always very, very nice to me when I was small. And there was a time in the USA where you could sign your kid over to the state so they HAD to go to the police station every week or so to meet with a specialized "Police Social Worker" who was actually part of the police force. How do I know? Dad had one. And his ex-police-social-worker was the one that had to help us as a Captain when the neighbor went nuts. >>
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    I agree with Chris_A's post, majority of the police forces are decent, hard working people doing the best they can at their job. But being human, they're not infallible. Some make bad decisions and a very few are truely corrupt. Thanks to our mordern media you see one cop do something bad and apperently the entire police department is corrupt. Do people have the right to be angry when a peace officer makes a mistake or does something wrong and illegal, yes they do. But to blame the whole police department is unfair in my opinion, but that is how most people view other groups.
    We are all insane, we just act normal for the sake of others.

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    The majority of police forces and personnel are decent, but it's the ones that are corrupt that sort of tarnish the rest with the same coat of paint. So you see the corruption of one force and the automatic reaction is to assume the others are corrupt.

    After experiencing some corruption in law enforcement myself, I am slightly wary of any law enforement now. Yes I understand that not all are corrupt, but it's the bad experience that has left the bad taste in my mouth.

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