• How do you compare Outlaw Star to Cowboy Bebop and Trigun?
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    I'll have to check out the full thing when I get the chance. It's no wonder Space Adventure Cobra isn't mentioned, though. Anime was far more of a niche in the west in the early '80s than the '00s, so as evident by this thread and the internet in general not many people will have heard about it. Hell, the only two earlier series I've seen are Future Boy Conan and Mobile Suit Gundam. Oh, and Space Pirate Captain Harlock which probably has more in common with Outlaw Star than Cowboy Bloody Bebop!

    I'm pleasantly surprised to see that Cobra has a fan site (presumably from before the reboot as its design is quite old) since it's such an old franchise. (Cobra World, eh? Now I know what to call the OLS merchandise site I'm making since "Outlaw World" is the first episode name!) I hate to mention the elephant in the room again, but Bebop has nothing of the sort. I'm intrigued so I'll let you know what I think of the '82 Cobra anime series.
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    The trailer you posted is actually from the Cobra movie, not the series. The interesting thing is that the anime movie of Cobra was made first and then they made the tv series. It's usually the other way around. While the movie is enjoyable on its own, it's nowhere awesome as the series (Fun fact, Hayao Miyazaki worked on the movie animation). What movie did was to take elements from different manga arcs, mostly from the first arc, and combine them in a different way. In other words, it's an alternative take of the first arc of the story, which was handled much better in the series. The most impressive thing is that the series improves on the manga as well. The most obvious example of that is that in manga Cobra's spaceship looks like a flying box whereas in the series it's a kick-ass shapeshifting, cool looking spaceship. As a person who usually likes manga more than anime I could easily say Cobra is one of the few examples of anime adaptation being better than the manga original. Unfortunately, the later anime sequels of Cobra are pretty faithful adaptations of the manga therefore not as good as the original series.

    While Cobra is pretty much unknown in US it's extremely popular in Japan and France. So, it's no wonder other than Japanese sites the biggest fan site of Cobra is in French. The famous director Luc Besson is also a huge Cobra fan, which is evident from his films that mostly revolve around sci-fi plots. Another French director who is a fan of Cobra is Alexandra Aja and he plans to make a live action movie of Cobra. Unfortunately his plans were set back because of his script being too similar to the plot of Guardians of the Galaxy. So, he had to rewrite the script but hopefully he completes the movie at some point so more people in the world would know about Cobra. This is the teaser poster for the Cobra movie;

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    I don't think its wrong to compare Outlaw Star to Trigun and Cowboy Bebop. I mean, not only did they all come out at the same time in Japan, but they all aired around the same time on Cartoon Network. I do think, however, that you need to know what to compare for each show, because if you really look at it, each of them is trying to accomplish different goals.

    Cowboy Bebop as an anime places it's emphasis on its aesthetic. The entire series has a noir, citylike feel, which is helped by its wonderful jazz soundtrack. The story is there and attention is given to it, but its not the main focus of the series. Most episodes of the series are self contained, with only a few episodes throughout that directly relate to the main story. This is one of the reasons that I think the show did so well in the west.

    I haven't seen Trigun in a while, but from what I remember, Trigun had its focus pretty evenly split between its story and characters, perhaps a bit moreso toward the characters. We have Knives as the main villain, but he isn't featured in the series for a while, and it takes some time to get to the rest of the Gung Ho Guns, too. When they finally come in, though, is when the story progresses. As for characters, the primary focus is given to explaining who Vash is, his past and how they influence his actions. He's confronted by adversity and must come to terms with, in a way, betraying who he is. This character development occurs along with the story in the second half of the show, and both are important to the anime itself.

    Outlaw Star, however, gives its primary focus toward the adventure; the journey the characters go on. Like a lot of people mentioned above, there isn't a whole lot of character development in Outlaw Star: the characters at the end of the series are about the same as they were at the beginning. It's the adventure to the Leyline that carries the story, and seeing their battles, wins, and misfortunes throughout that adventure is the primary focus of the show. In my opinion, at least.
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    But in Japan Cowboy Bebop aired nearly a year after Outlaw Star. While not major, I wouldn't call that a minor difference either. Most importantly though is that Cowboy Bebop was broadcast on an entirely different channel than Outlaw Star. Just a few of the episodes were broadcast on the same channel (TV Tokyo) but because the ratings were so bad they sold it if I remember right. So I think the points about Japan still stand. I have a Japanese friend so I'll ask him about their connection there when I get the chance. As for Trigun, I can't even find the station its episodes broadcast on.

    If he confirms what I suspect, anime fans there never really connected them making the comparison come nearly solely from Toonami. People can compare. I just think it's unfortunate since there are much better comparisons to be made like Cobra's which I have ready to play. I'm sure I'll enjoy making valid comparisons to that as I go along.
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    Trigun had very little to do with sci-fi aside from a single episode, so it's hard to compare them. Honestly I thought Trigun was pretty overrated at first, and didn't start living up to the immense hype until the famous tone shift. Vash clowning around got old after the first episode, and the same joke being repeated over and over again made it worse.

    As for Bebop, it goes without saying that it had a more well-executed story than OS, but Gene I thought was a more believable and developed character than Spike. That's just me though.

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