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    How do you feel about the next James Bond film?

    I love the Bond franchise. Some of the best moments of my adolescence were spent watching Bond movies, playing Bond games and reading Bond books. Now, I'm not someone who's completely resillient to change, but when it comes to something as seminal as James Bond, I stick by the old adage of, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". The latest film in the franchise sees a black woman taking over the role of 007 (as in, his agent number); it also shows, according to the writers, a more "sensitive" Bond that is more respectful of women and acts more in accordance with feminist tendencies as a response to the "Me Too" initiative. The writers say they want to "expand" the scope of the franchise so it can appeal to a wider audience. There is talk of this movie serving a lead-in to a new era for the franchise, one starring this female 007 and effectively replacing Bond himself.

    The issue I have with this is simple: it completely disregards the source material, and it's completely unnecessary. If you've read any of the books, or even seen any of the earlier movies, Bond's back-story is incredibly important in defining who he is. If they made Bond a black woman, a black man, a white woman, an asian man, or literally anything other than a half-Scottish half-Swiss white man, it just wouldn't make sense. Bond's attitude, blood lust, misogyny, alcoholism and all of the other defining traits of his character are a result of his childhood; a childhood defined by his time spent traveling abroad, the death of his parents, and so on. To change that story is to destroy the character, and while every incarnation of Bond in the films has had differences, they've all maintained the same basic origin story (usually adjusted for time period).

    I wouldn't want to see a Blade movie with a white man or woman taking the place of Wesley Snipes because that isn't who Blade is. Likewise, I don't want to see a movie where Bond isn't Bond. These kind of silly changes seem to be made in some kind of effort to diversify a franchise, but why does everything need to be diversified? Let some things rest as they are.

    How do you feel about this new movie? Will you see it, and are you upset with the direction they've chosen? Why or why not?

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    I never liked Bond movies & I've never tried the books. That being said, just because I don't enjoy something doesn't mean that I have no respect for it or its legacy. Bond is seminal, as you put it. The films have played a significant role in cinema for decades and I have several family members (from Scotland) who are megafans of the series and are probably crushed by this change to a beloved character.

    The problem with too much diversity is that nothing is diverse anymore at a point. A better approach would have been for a writer to attempt to create a black, female spy who was as interesting and marketable as Bond. Yanking the spotlight away from a classic character isn't really impressing me. It's just riding on the Bond name. If the character is really any good, she can stand on her own in a fresh series and I'd be happy to support it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemekis View Post
    A better approach would have been for a writer to attempt to create a black, female spy who was as interesting and marketable as Bond. Yanking the spotlight away from a classic character isn't really impressing me. It's just riding on the Bond name. If the character is really any good, she can stand on her own in a fresh series and I'd be happy to support it.
    Agree with this completely. Creating a separate franchise to compete with Bond would have been fine, but altering the core dynamics of a franchise for social brownie points and mass appeal is pretty stupid.

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    The funny irony is some of the classic bond girls, specifically Valerie Leon who was in Never Say Never Again, are against the idea of a black female 007. That and we've had badass bond girls in the past (Michelle Yeoh from Tomorrow Never Dies comes to mind) so it's not like they'd be breaking any new ground here. It's kind of funny that they act like a girl in a badass lead role is a new thing yet they've done this for years (Ripley, Sarah Conner, The Bride from Kill Bill, ect.). What a lot of them don't get is people get turned off by crap like this because it comes across less like casting someone based on merit but comes across more as self-congratulatory circle jerking. There's nothing wrong with wanting a diverse cast but you should have naturally and not do it because you want to shout to the world "Hey, I'm for women and minorities which is basically human decency 101. Look how moral and righteous I am!"

    Not to mention, Bond has always been about a fantasy. Trying to bring in real world political issues doesn't really gel with Bond. It's always been the fantasy of going to exotic places, beating the bad guy with a punchy quip and scoring with beautiful women. The last thing that Bond fans want is to have current year woke politics in what's supposed to be a fun action franchise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starwind55 View Post
    The last thing that Bond fans want is to have current year woke politics in what's supposed to be a fun action franchise.
    Bingo. Clearly this franchise is no longer for the fans, but as you said, is being used as a platform for circle jerking and political fart-huffing. This will sadly go down as the only Bond movie I've not paid money to see. Hopefully the film crashes and burns and they learn from this mistake, but I doubt it. The damage is probably done at this point. Fleming would be rolling in his grave.

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    Well, supposedly the 3rd Ghostbusters movie is trying to fix the mistake they made with the reboot so the same could happen with Bond. Of course, what they'll probably end up doing is doubling down and blame the movies shortcomings on the movie going public.

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    To be fair Bond isn't really anyone to begin with. There are many different Bonds from over the years. Having said that, he has always been a white male so that fact has been cemented into his general identity. I've never been much of a Bond "fan". I knew a mega fan in school (probably to the same level I'm an Outlaw Star fan) so he often talked about James Bond.

    GoldenEye is a great film which spawned a revolutionary game. I've watched a fair share of others but it was usually when I was a kid so I can't remember them very well. Moonraker was a good one, with that Jaws villain who had knives for teeth. I liked License to Kill and The Man with the Golden Gun.

    So, while I wouldn't call myself a fan, James Bond has certainly left an impression, so I don't like this drastic change. In the world we live in today it was only inevitable. Not only do we have to deal with a real-life cancel culture, people are even cancelling male protagonists from fiction and replacing them with women.

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    Seriously though, good female action protagonists have and can exist! Sarah Connor, Ripley, Alice from (only the first, the rest are awful) Resident Evil, etc. (Just noticed that Starwind55 had already made this point. Blast you.) For god's sake, come up with something new. I for one would like to see more female protagonists nowadays. Studios need to think for themselves instead of chasing an agenda which only comes across as fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis View Post
    I for one would like to see more female protagonists nowadays. Studios need to think for themselves instead of chasing an agenda which only comes across as fake.
    I think there are plenty of movies with female leads these days; but arguably very few good ones. I can't remember the last time I saw the trailer for a film starring a female protag and thought "Oh man, I can't wait to see that!". Not because of the fact they feature females, but as you said, because they always seem to be chasing an agenda -- and are typically very derivative as well. Kill Bill and Ultra Violet are a few examples of movies with great female leads, I wish there were more like them.

    On that note, I know you're a Perfect Dark fan -- I always thought that would have made a killer film series if done right. Why couldn't they have done something like that instead of messing with an established franchise?

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    Probably should have put "good female protagonists". Played by good actresses and a role that makes sense. (Instead of shit like Jane Bond or Batwoman.) I thoroughly enjoyed the Ghost in the Shell adaptation that had Major played by Scarlett Johannson. While not an original idea it's an adaptation done right and Scarlett did a fantastic job. When I saw that film's trailer, I was more or less thinking, "Oh man, I can't wait to see that!" (While laughing at all of the SJWs and weeaboos squealing about "whitewashing".)

    Yeah, Kill Bill's a good one. I never saw Ultra Violet. Perfect Dark would be brilliant. Better yet, as a TV series if it was handled right. With the way the game is structured it'd probably be the best format.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis View Post
    Probably should have put "good female protagonists". Played by good actresses and a role that makes sense. (Instead of shit like Jane Bond or Batwoman.) I thoroughly enjoyed the Ghost in the Shell adaptation that had Major played by Scarlett Johannson. While not an original idea it's an adaptation done right and Scarlett did a fantastic job. When I saw that film's trailer, I was more or less thinking, "Oh man, I can't wait to see that!" (While laughing at all of the SJWs and weeaboos squealing about "whitewashing".)

    Yeah, Kill Bill's a good one. I never saw Ultra Violet. Perfect Dark would be brilliant. Better yet, as a TV series if it was handled right. With the way the game is structured it'd probably be the best format.
    Aw man, a Perfect Dark series would be incredible -- something like the Matrix meets Bourne Identity in episodic format. Seeing Joanna's exploits play out every episode with funny back-and-forth banter between herself, Mr. Carrington and Elvis is something I would kill to see. I hear there's a new PD game in the works, so who knows, weirder things have happened.

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