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    This was a good idea Mantis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsherTheWilliams View Post
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    Glad to have you aboard Lt.!
    tanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LtSurge View Post
    Oh. I had no idea Outlaw Star had so much side merch. Then again, it is all or mostly native Japanese, and at its heyday the show was barely a thing in the USA.
    In the west Outlaw Star was far more successful than in Japan, yet Japan as usual got the majority of the merchandise, bar a couple of things like the Bandai figures. But yes, the broadcast time difference between the two is mostly the reason for Japanese merch.

    Quote Originally Posted by LtSurge View Post
    I get a kick out of people who are actually producing good content, but they have this compulsion for modesty that prevents them from taking advantage of monetization. I can admire such modesty, but the way I see it if you aren't super-rich, the bills have to be paid somehow. And even if the bills are getting paid, if somebody wants to support you they should have as many options to do so as possible.

    Donations are just that... they are not payments for service. It's like tipping. Gifts. Nobody is obligated to give you gifts, and you are not obligated to accept them... it would just be foolish to refuse a gift as useful as money.

    When people give donations, they should also not expect anything in return. That's not how kindness works. Gratitude is sufficient for me when I give someone a gift... gratitude is its own reward! Anything returned to me beyond that is incidental. You are not beholden to anyone who gives you a gift. Obligations only exist in Contractual agreements ("I give you money, you give me pizza. Deal?")

    That is why some Patreon pages have little to no rewards. Of course, setting up rewards will help incentivize more people to give you money, which is the real purpose for Patreon Rewards anyway. So, if you do happen to open one, offering rewards is purely optional. Just show people what you are doing, and they will decide to support you or not.

    Idea:
    Like Minds, you can offer a Wong/Cash exchange program. Perhaps add further functionality to Wong in some way, to make Wong a more useful currency on this site. Even if it's purely cosmetic/entertainment. Of course, you don't have to have a hard-paywall for anything on the site, which makes buying Wong with Cash a purely donation-based system. A little reward for supporting the site and everything else you do.

    Bottom line is that I think the only way to ensure that something continues to exist is to support it, and frankly I could talk here all day, but it doesn't pay the bills. Cash is King. Maybe you plan to keep your operation here going forever. BUT. The extra cash creates more incentive to keep it alive, and to even grow it. I have seen enough places succumb to a slow, quiet death because they weren't financially supported and the owners lost interest. Low-energy. Sad.

    Especially when it's so easy to set up a tip jar these days, it's unthinkable to forego such opportunity. My opinion...
    Haha, I guess in part the reason for my modesty is that I really respect Outlaw Star and the work put into it, so I felt I'd be paying more respect by not getting paid. I know... it all sounds pretty stupid now. The total amount I've spent on Outlaw Star (and the website) isn't something I'd share. I'd say I'm financially stable, but part of the reason for that is that I don't socialise as much as other people do, thus don't spend money on overpriced drinks, clubbing, etc. That money goes towards this kind of geeky stuff. The term "e-begging" came from donations, but probably donations presented in a conceited way.

    I totally agree with the whole gift thing. It's true. People shouldn't be "buying" a product in any form. However, if I started a Patreon, "rewards" are still on my mind, I must admit. By a reward, I don't mean an exclusive item. Awful analogy, but let's say my workstation is the Outlaw Star. Though I'm the pilot, there are three other seats. A donor could decide my next course of action on this journey. (I mean, in the time I'll have outside of manga translation.) I easily have over ten SFW art books I could scan, as well as countless NSFW doujinshi (unsure about this, though nearly all OLS fans now will be older) and donors could decide which books I scan in order. The end result is the same. Everyone gets the scans, but the donor gets the choice of his/her preferred book scanned earlier. (Could be a voting system.) That's just one idea.

    There's some more use for wong currently, but nobody really uses them anymore unlike 2011/2012. You can use wong to buy items in the market and as credits to play games in the arcade. Making more pixel art for the market would take some time with potentially no advantage. I was producing an Outlaw Star version of the Final Fantasy VIII card game called Triple Triad. You can see a demo of it here:



    I'm really far into it and I've made most of the cards, but it takes a lot of time. This was going to become a major use for wong since you'd buy card booster packs and bet your cards for battles, with over 120 (if I remember right) cards in total. I've really lost motivation for it though since again, my efforts would be in vain as unlike the manga for instance nobody would give a damn about Triple Triad. Thus, I don't think wong would be a good option, but thanks for the suggestion.

    Fortunately there's still a lot to be done as far as the fandom goes and if I'm the only one who will do it, count me in. I can't deny that donations would help me with the financial side. I appreciate the thought and I'm now considering a Patreon more seriously.

    Quote Originally Posted by LtSurge View Post
    I don't know what your plans beyond marketing Outlaw Star could be, but plenty of people market their personalities on the internet and are making a fair bit of money doing it. You seem like a PRETTY C00L D00D, so that might work for you.
    Heh, I thought about that many times. Some people have the gift of the gab and usually they're the ones with the YouTube success stories. Maybe I could try it in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by LtSurge View Post
    I've got my own stuff I'm setting up. The internet is a powerful tool, too powerful to neglect. There are people out there, with the kind of financial freedom that was unheard of only ten years ago. A friend of mine makes all of his money doing "work from home", which is currently in a mobile home. He travels the continental U.S. I look at that and I see Freedom.
    And you know, I like me some freedom. Being 'murican and all
    We've spent a lot of time talking about me and my ambitions. I'd like to hear more about yours. You should post your literature at Starwind & Hawking Enterprises. I'd totally read it. Yeah, the internet is a very powerful tool nowadays, but sadly that comes with much greater competition! In your case there are so many books, and in my case so many indie games.

    Mobile homes sound so awesome. I've seen some really big ones. With the size of the US, every day would be a new adventure. A teacher I've talked to years after college now lives in a narrowboat, travelling across the UK in its canal system. So, you like to travel? Ever left your continent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis View Post
    In the west Outlaw Star was far more successful than in Japan
    Really? I stand corrected...

    Haha, I guess in part the reason for my modesty is that I really respect Outlaw Star and the work put into it, so I felt I'd be paying more respect by not getting paid. I know... it all sounds pretty stupid now. The total amount I've spent on Outlaw Star (and the website) isn't something I'd share. I'd say I'm financially stable, but part of the reason for that is that I don't socialise as much as other people do, thus don't spend money on overpriced drinks, clubbing, etc. That money goes towards this kind of geeky stuff. The term "e-begging" came from donations, but probably donations presented in a conceited way.


    Well, it's all the effort and time you put into creating a space for enthusiasts to congregate. It may be one of many, but it has its own special charm. Then there are also other pursuits of yours that others might find worth supporting, if even in some small way.

    I know what you mean about e-begging. I think the difference is in how you deliver your pitch, what your intentions are. What you are doing here is providing a service for free (because otherwise people holding the Copyright might come out of the woodwork and heck you up), so any money you receive is of a charitable nature.

    I totally agree with the whole gift thing. It's true. People shouldn't be "buying" a product in any form. However, if I started a Patreon, "rewards" are still on my mind, I must admit. By a reward, I don't mean an exclusive item. Awful analogy, but let's say my workstation is the Outlaw Star. Though I'm the pilot, there are three other seats. A donor could decide my next course of action on this journey. (I mean, in the time I'll have outside of manga translation.) I easily have over ten SFW art books I could scan, as well as countless NSFW doujinshi (unsure about this, though nearly all OLS fans now will be older) and donors could decide which books I scan in order. The end result is the same. Everyone gets the scans, but the donor gets the choice of his/her preferred book scanned earlier. (Could be a voting system.) That's just one idea.


    Hold the phone... you translate? You speak moonspeak?

    There's some more use for wong currently, but nobody really uses them anymore unlike 2011/2012. You can use wong to buy items in the market and as credits to play games in the arcade. Making more pixel art for the market would take some time with potentially no advantage. I was producing an Outlaw Star version of the Final Fantasy VIII card game called Triple Triad. You can see a demo of it here:



    I'm really far into it and I've made most of the cards, but it takes a lot of time. This was going to become a major use for wong since you'd buy card booster packs and bet your cards for battles, with over 120 (if I remember right) cards in total. I've really lost motivation for it though since again, my efforts would be in vain as unlike the manga for instance nobody would give a damn about Triple Triad. Thus, I don't think wong would be a good option, but thanks for the suggestion.


    I will admit I don't understand this game... but I can appreciate the effort put into making it

    Fortunately there's still a lot to be done as far as the fandom goes and if I'm the only one who will do it, count me in. I can't deny that donations would help me with the financial side. I appreciate the thought and I'm now considering a Patreon more seriously.
    You seem to know a lot more about web design and programming than I do. Have you seen other sites use one-time PayPal Donation buttons/links? Some call them Tip Jars. What I figured the easiest thing you could do is set up a little jar icon at the top right-hand corner of the menu, with a "Donations" caption. Clicking it could then send you to a new page where someone could make a one-time donation. You could offer donors something like putting their name on a "list of supporters". I've seen stuff like that before. People like to see their names on things, makes them feel all warm and fuzzy


    We've spent a lot of time talking about me and my ambitions. I'd like to hear more about yours. You should post your literature at Starwind & Hawking Enterprises. I'd totally read it. Yeah, the internet is a very powerful tool nowadays, but sadly that comes with much greater competition! In your case there are so many books, and in my case so many indie games.

    Mobile homes sound so awesome. I've seen some really big ones. With the size of the US, every day would be a new adventure. A teacher I've talked to years after college now lives in a narrowboat, travelling across the UK in its canal system. So, you like to travel? Ever left your continent?


    You think so?... Well, I was planning on doing something at that subforum... and I could use as much feedback as I can get. Now I'm feeling modest

    Okay, I will post something there.

    Oh yes, competition. The pressure is on, to be the best I can be, and hope my best is better than other peoples... bests...

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