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    I wanted to make a topic for this given what just happened in the US with this riot over George Floyd's death in Minneapolis. If you don't know the story, there was a group of 4 cops arresting George and one stood on his neck while arresting him, the man ended up dying and this was on Monday. A riot started breaking out a few days later and a lot of damage has been done to the city. Many will be without jobs, some will need to spend the money they have cleaning the mess. The autopsy report was released today, almost a week after this took place and it shows the man had health conditions along with being under the influence of drugs and that is actually what killed him. I don't really see anyone talking about this though.

    The point of sharing that story is to address an issue in today's world with reaction culture. People get so angry or upset that they react without even having the full story or all of the facts. This is happening more and more and cases like the one mentioned above show how dangerous they can be. I feel like a big reason this is an issue today is down to the grip social media has on the general public as well as the mainstream media pedaling out fear and bait stories.

    Do you think this issue will only continue to get worse?

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    I spent a couple of hours last night following the Twitter feed of a journalist who was posting regular videos of what's going down in Minneapolis. It was truly bizarre. I haven't been able to find a video of what happened with George (probably heavily censored by Google and the like) and don't really need to as I get the gist of the situation. So, regardless of any extra factors, obviously what those rogue cops did was completely out of line. When somebody repeatedly says they can't breathe I think it's about time to loosen the grip! It's inexcusable and I take no issue with however they're punished.

    Having said that, the biggest insult in this whole shitstorm is how thugs are opportunistically taking advantage of George Floyd's death to riot and basically turn towns and cities into real-life "Purges". What I find even stupider is how far leftist media is going to defend this criminal activity. Do they really think that George Floyd would have wanted these actions done in his name? Well, in 99% of cases the rioters don't seem to be thinking at all. I don't think the vast majority actually care about George. This started as a race war but I don't really think race is much of a factor anymore. This is just the dregs of society using it as a chance to act out.

    Worse yet, many level-headed news sources are too paranoid to report the real truth of the matter because apparently, these hooligans have done nothing wrong. I think it will continue to get worse until the National Guard deals with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis View Post
    I spent a couple of hours last night following the Twitter feed of a journalist who was posting regular videos of what's going down in Minneapolis. It was truly bizarre. I haven't been able to find a video of what happened with George (probably heavily censored by Google and the like) and don't really need to as I get the gist of the situation. So, regardless of any extra factors, obviously what those rogue cops did was completely out of line. When somebody repeatedly says they can't breathe I think it's about time to loosen the grip! It's inexcusable and I take no issue with however they're punished.

    Having said that, the biggest insult in this whole shitstorm is how thugs are opportunistically taking advantage of George Floyd's death to riot and basically turn towns and cities into real-life "Purges". What I find even stupider is how far leftist media is going to defend this criminal activity. Do they really think that George Floyd would have wanted these actions done in his name? Well, in 99% of cases the rioters don't seem to be thinking at all. I don't think the vast majority actually care about George. This started as a race war but I don't really think race is much of a factor anymore. This is just the dregs of society using it as a chance to act out.

    Worse yet, many level-headed news sources are too paranoid to report the real truth of the matter because apparently, these hooligans have done nothing wrong. I think it will continue to get worse until the National Guard deals with it.
    We have them close by where I am because the riots are happening in all sorts of cities now. Someone got shot today, for no reason, on the very street I lived on not too long ago. It is a very scary situation and the MSM is making it worse. Protestors aren't the issue, the rioters and criminals are.

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    Just... why?! However you look at it, US police matters have nothing to do with us! Like I was saying, some people just need a reason to get pissed off. Even gathering outside of the US embassy is completely retarded. What would it accomplish? I give up.

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    What happened to George Floyd was abhorrent and the "cop" that murdered him deserves to burn, but rioting and destroying town and killing others is the stupidest response.
    It doesnt solve anything, and makes muddles any reasonable peaceful protests.
    I honestly don't understand how anyone thinks rioting is a good idea. What does destroying your town, burning down buildings, and killing people solve?
    A man dies unjustly, so you respond by killing others?
    How the fuck does that make any sense.

    But these will stop in a week or so. Then in a few months, people will completely forget this.
    Like people did with the Baltimore protests. I guarentee no one remembers the name of the guy who was shot by police in Baltimore back in 2015.

    This isnt about "police reform". Its about destroying cities because people can do it without getting into any real trouble. There are groups that are paying for the bails of these rioters. A lot of celebrities that live nowhere near these places are paying into bailing out the rioters. So they know they can destroy building and assault people and get maybe 6 hours in jail at most.
    Its pathetic that this is what we've come to.

    I disagree with President Obama on a lot of things, but his speech following the Baltimore riots is the one thing I whole heartedly agree with.

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    The majority of the riots happening in the US are being minipulated by Antifa people. I saw a lot of videos of black Americans yelling at them to stop, and they don't listent. They want to protest this man's death for change and these idiots are using it as an excuse to get violent and cause problems because they don't care about this country. They don't even care about black lives, they just want to start trouble. Then you have people who are living in poverty taking advantage of the situation by looting stores they broke into so it is just making everyone look bad.

    I am just embassaed at this point to be an American. My family didn't travel here to start a new life to watch this country be destroyed by idiots dressed in all black crying over college debt their parents will be paying off for them. My grandfather didn't serve in the war to grant them the freedom to destroy black communities or cause harm to this nation. It makes me sick.

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    Yeah...the current events give an entirely new meaning to this thread. One hell of a reaction.
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    This is a hard topic to discuss and comes with a lot of nuances. I think to boil it down to reaction culture is simplifying the issue and bastardizing the actual message of the protesters.

    There are a few points I want to hit on, so I apologize if this get's a little rambly.

    In regards to the protests turning to riots and causing property damage, to put it frankly, yes businesses will still lose money and capital, but property can be repaired, material goods can be replaced, a man's life can not be brought back. This goes beyond one man's life as well, it's the tip of the iceberg of active oppression of Black Americans. More and more evidence is stacking up that those who are inciting violence are organized out of state groups like Proud Boys and Identity Evropa posing as ANTIFA to make the protestors look bad. I know the city I'm in at least there were reports that gangs were going to use the protests to incite violence and crime, so I wouldn't be surprised if there were similar issues in other cities. Police are also using tactics to push protestors out of areas where it's legal to assemble so that they can be detained, and a lot of these efforts are straddling the line of excessive force.

    As of writing this post, an independent autopsy was done of George Floyd and it shows that his cause of death was by asphyxiation. Even the medical report that was referred to early by KorinKitty listed that there may be foreign substances in his system, but the knee hold he was in was still a major part of his death. Let's not forget that the cops were called because he was using an allegedly fake $20 bill. Even if it was fake, the force used to detain him was clearly out of line.

    I think most people can agree that violence shouldn't be the answer, but to say nothing gets accomplished from rioting is ignoring history. Unions, labor laws, women's suffrage, Civil Rights, and LGBTQA rights were all products of rioting. One of the big turning points towards the Revolutionary War and America's independence was the Boston Tea Party and that alone cause $1.7 million (of today's money) in property damage. Honestly, I wouldn't hold it against the protestors for starting to riot. For years individuals have been peacefully protesting and using their voices to try and raise awareness of the police brutality and systematic oppression/racism in America. Collin Kapernick was made a joke by the right conservatives for taking a knee during the national anthem and they quickly dismissed his message. If people had listened from the beginning we may not have to be where we are now.

    This isn't just about police reform, it's about a total reform of the justice system and challenging our own beliefs. pseudohippie mentioned the organizations that are set up to bail out rioters. They're there to to bail out anyone arrested in the protests. Protesters who aren't even participating in property damage are being wrongfully arrested and detained and need to be bailed out. Some celebrities are, in fact, participating in the protests. Halsey has been very clearly posting from the front lines and Cole Sprouse was just arrested the other day. The funds and organizations that celebrities are donating to are also contributing to rebuilding businesses, scholarship and mentorship programs for Black Youths, organizations that bring supplies like water and food to protestors, and volunteer field medics.

    It's important to stay informed on all sides. This is a complicated issue that goes beyond the death of one man. I hope that people can bring forward their empathy but also cast a critical eye on what the media is choosing to show you. Listen to Black Americans and don't let this issue disappear after the 24hr news cycle has had its way with it.

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    The way I see it, when both sides are using excessive force it somewhat cancels out the message. Then again, I see where you're coming from in that a lot of things won't get accomplished without violence or at least the willingness to use violence. A lot of the violence and looting just doesn't seem consistent with the greater message of racial equality to me. When I'm looking at violence on this scale, it makes me wonder if people were meant to get along in the first place and there will likely be far more resentment between groups once this is over rather than less.

    Imagine if all those rioters took that energy and directed it towards politics or going to town hall meetings, it would be impossible to overlook them without the need for a any physical destruction. Plenty of people have died on both sides since the riots began and it's no longer about one life, it's about dozens. This has gone beyond property damage that we can just write off. The whole situation is an emotional response first and foremost so perhaps I'm expecting it to be too logical. Even Floyd's brother is begging the rioters to stop though.

    Jamming a knee into someone's neck is certainly way out of line for anything involving $20. Even if he was guilty (I heard the $20 bill was legitimate) why'd they detain him like that in the first place? Even if he tried to run, $20 is $20...no need for them to gang up on him like that.
    That being said, I don't see the connection between his death and people several states away torching cities and stealing shoes. This just isn't how complex problems get solved. The folks who are protesting non-violently should be allowed to do so, I don't know why they would be arrested but I'm sure plenty of them have been. I think people will start getting arrested whether or not they are violent once the curfews are in effect. It'll give them an excuse to grab anyone. If it stops the violence then at least there's a plus side. Violence from both police and the rioters should be put on the same level as far as I'm concerned. Hurting another person is hurting another person and I don't want to get into who is okay to hurt and who isn't because that gets dangerous really quick.
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    Theres a big problem with the argument that building and material goods can be replaced. Places like Target and Auto Zone can very easily replace their stores, but small mom&pop stores that are hit can't. If they're destroyed, the lives of the store owners can be ruined. Especially since we're already in a pandemic (funny that the same people that joked and shamed people for protesting peacefully for states to reopen are now supporting protests.).
    A lot of these places are small business and would have a substantially more difficult time recovering from this. It's good that celebrities are giving money to help businesses rebuild, but bailing out rioters sends a terrible message.

    Rioting should never be the answer. Especially the looting going on here. Its people stealing, burning, with no clear message.
    If people want this to work, there needs to be a message. The only message I see is "justiceforFloyd". Ok...the cop has already been arrested, and is charged with 3rd degree murder. How is that not justice?
    Reform? Yes. We need that, absolutely. But what kind if reform? No one in these protests and riots has anything close to a clear message of reform.

    I agree with Korin. If these rioters put their efforts into actually trying to bring about reform, they'd be much more influential. But they decide to instead burn down buildings that have nothing to do with this. There was a Mercedes-Benz dealership that was destroyed, and multiple cars had "eat the rich" graffitied into them...Was the cop rich? What does "rich people bad" have to do with this? This is why these riots don't work. There's no real message here. It's all about causing destruction and stealing.
    As for Kapernick...yeah, no. He had an anti police brutality message, and that's great, but...what the hell does kneeling for the National Anthem have to do with it? If he really wanted to send that message, there are plenty of other ways he could have done it. But he did it in the most public way imaginable, and in the most diverse way possible. Of course his message was going to get muddled.

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